Newbie ISO 806A&811

[JSP]

Hi All;

I'm a newbie here and a recent convert to the Altec sound. My christening came about quite by accident when I found a silver pioneer receiver, old tape deck and one big old speaker for $10 bucks at a garage sale.

Well the speaker turned out to be an Altec Flamenco - cabinet a bit rough but the sound is great! Well I guess I'm preaching to the choir here.

So my plan/quest is to find matching drivers and build some nice new walnut cabinets for the altec components.

I need one 806A driver (all 16 ohm) and 811 horn and one N800f xover (or a good xover design that I could build). I think I have found a 416Z in Califorina and will have it rebuilt by GPA.

I also need a good plan for model nineteen clone cabinets.

If anyone has something to sell me or advise or leads on this stuff - thanks in advance!!


JSP
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[Old Guy]

There are some single 811's on FeePay at $49 no bids.

The 806 is harder- you may have to get an 807 and change over.

[scott fitlin]

Originally posted by JSP:
Hi All;

I'm a newbie here and a recent convert to the Altec sound. My christening came about quite by accident when I found a silver pioneer receiver, old tape deck and one big old speaker for $10 bucks at a garage sale.

Well the speaker turned out to be an Altec Flamenco - cabinet a bit rough but the sound is great! Well I guess I'm preaching to the choir here.

So my plan/quest is to find matching drivers and build some nice new walnut cabinets for the altec components.

I need one 806A driver (all 16 ohm) and 811 horn and one N800f xover (or a good xover design that I could build). I think I have found a 416Z in Califorina and will have it rebuilt by GPA.

I also need a good plan for model nineteen clone cabinets.

If anyone has something to sell me or advise or leads on this stuff - thanks in advance!!


JSP
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Contact Bill at GPA, 1-405-789-0221. he told me he has a guy that builds INCREDIBLE Model 19 cabinets.

I have no idea what pricing is, but I would look into this, for Altec, Bill is the BEST!

BTW, Welcome to the ALTEC World, nice to meet ya!

[gamalot]

It all depends on your plan and your wallet!

If you are building really nice cabinets for these component that you plan to keep then break the bank and do it right, maybe even upgrade from the Valencia/Flamenco to the 19 components.
If what you need is a match for what you have now then there are plenty of single 416-8As and 806 drivers with 811 horns and plywood is fairly inexpensive.

To build nice furniture grade and veneered cabinets for any of these is pretty expensive in and of itself. I would go for broke and build the best and fill them with the best of the available components either new from GPA or Vintage and rebuilt at GPA.

I am here to say you can't build a nice set of cabinets for less then $500 and it takes alot of work. Do it right the first time and save yourself a bundle! Don't even bother if your plan is to buy, build and resell!

Gary

[JSP]

Thanks for the comments. The building of the cabinets shouldn't be too difficult as I have built a number of fine furniture pieces and have a complete wood shop. So that part is not too challenging.

I just need a good plan to follow so I get the volume / vent ratio right. I'll use walnut faced plywood ($69 per sheet) with solid walnut where needed. Total cabinet material cost should be around $200

On the model nineteen, is the horn chamber a closed off separate section of the cabinet or is it all one open interior space?

One big challenge for me is the xover - should I buy the N800f originial altecs or should I build new ones? If building new xovers, I will need guidance from someone who knows what they are doing.

Thanks again for all your comments!

JP

[gamalot]

JP, Some confussion exists!

Building speakers begins somewhere by either knowing the exact raw components you plan to use and building a bow to suit them or by knowing the approx. size and style box and buying the drivers that will work best in them.

You seem to be beginning with Flamenco/Valencia size and style components but discussing the 19 as a possible box style and size.

I think you have a 416-8A 15" woofer, 811B horn, 806 driver and 801 XO. All are pretty easy to find the matching other set but not what I recommend for 19 cabinets. Stick with the Valencia/Flamenco type/size if this is your load.

19s use 416-8B 16" woffers, 811B horns with 802-8G drivers and model 19/1201 XOs and the two boxes are open to each other inside.
Plans for the 19 and Valencia/846 cabinets are available, I probably have them saved somewhere in this computer. Plans for the XOs are also available so none of this is out of the question.

The key to your success is to decide what speakers you will use and what box style you want to build.

Start here for many of the plans and schematics you might want to find. http://home.earthlink.net/~jmarkwart/index.html

I am sure you will get the requested assistance here but you need to define your request a bit so we know what your intended results will be.

Altec speakers do share many of the same components but they are all quite different animals depending on the cabinets and intended use. The 416 woofer has probably 10 different variations and an 806 driver is way different from an 802 and there are as many different XOs as one can imagine.

You will find many here who like the Model 19s and just as many who prefer the Valencias or A-7s or the Magnificents.

No offense intended but I have built a few cabinets and the veneer alone was $250 for this set of MDFs.


This set here was quite alot more!


Gary

[bfish]

Hi JP,

For reference info, Jeff Markwart's site is a great source, with M19 plans and more. Also, search here and the Lansing Heritage forum archives for more. On the LH forum, a search for "Altec" threads with posts by "Zilch" will keep you busy awhile, and has some good details on the M19 XO, the N800F, and more.

[bfish]

Sorry to duplicate Gary's info, we were typing in unison.

[JSP]

Originally posted by gamalot:
JP, Some confussion exists!

Building speakers begins somewhere by either knowing the exact raw components you plan to use and building a bow to suit them or by knowing the approx. size and style box and buying the drivers that will work best in them.

You seem to be beginning with Flamenco/Valencia size and style components but discussing the 19 as a possible box style and size.

I think you have a 416-8A 15" woofer, 811B horn, 806 driver and 801 XO. All are pretty easy to find the matching other set but not what I recommend for 19 cabinets. Stick with the Valencia/Flamenco type/size if this is your load.

19s use 416-8B 16" woffers, 811B horns with 802-8G drivers and model 19/1201 XOs and the two boxes are open to each other inside.
Plans for the 19 and Valencia/846 cabinets are available, I probably have them saved somewhere in this computer. Plans for the XOs are also available so none of this is out of the question.

The key to your success is to decide what speakers you will use and what box style you want to build.

Start here for many of the plans and schematics you might want to find. http://home.earthlink.net/~jmarkwart/index.html

I am sure you will get the requested assistance here but you need to define your request a bit so we know what your intended results will be.

Altec speakers do share many of the same components but they are all quite different animals depending on the cabinets and intended use. The 416 woofer has probably 10 different variations and an 806 driver is way different from an 802 and there are as many different XOs as one can imagine.

You will find many here who like the Model 19s and just as many who prefer the Valencias or A-7s or the Magnificents.

No offense intended but I have built a few cabinets and the veneer alone was $250 for this set of MDFs.


This set here was quite alot more!


Gary

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Gary

Thanks for your suggestions! And yes I am a bit confused. I looked at the spec sheet for the model nineteen on lansingheritrage site. http://www.lansingheritage.org/image...l-19/page2.jpg
It says the woofer is a 15" 416-8B. Is there more than one configuration for the nineteen?

At any rate, my components are 15" 416Z and 806A/811 (all 16 ohms) horn as found in the flamenco I have. The xover is unmarked, but the spec sheet indicates a N-801 type (not sure on what I really need here). I am not married to any cabinet design at this point, just looking for a design that will sound great with these drivers and be attractive. I plan to use 3/4" walnut plywood and solid walnut as needed, not really too concerned about the construction cost or process.

I think a valencia type box might be very nice with the right finishing touches, just need a good plan with clear dimenisions.

Thanks to all for setting me right!

JP

[gamalot]

Some would say a 416 is a 416 but yes there are variations.

19s use a 416-8B woofer that has the wide mounting flange for front loading into the cabinets. This is where we or at least I come up with the 16" designation. The flange is a half inch wider then on a standard 416-8A so it adds a total of 1 inch to the overall basket size.

In your case I would just try to match both woofers to the same frame size and letter designation. I do know you can have 416-8As in either 15" or the 16" wide flange but I am not real familiar with some of the others.
Some here have mentioned the 416-8C is a completely different speaker from the others but I don't know this woofer.

I think if you go to the Lansing Heritage site and search the catalogs for the box you like and want to build will be your best starting point.

Correct me if I am wrong here but my thought is you want to build some nice speakers for your own personal tastes and it will be best to do it right the first time.

19s are big but need not be as big as they are and you can certainly do as I have done and change width, height and depth to acheive proper box volume. If 19s were what I wanted and in their exact form I would buy a used set and just restore them. Same thing with Valencia's or Flamencos. You can find them at the auction site all the time and save a bundle.

I enjoy building my own cabinets and once done I load them with nothing but Vintage Altec drivers, horns and XOs but spend my money sending them to GPA for recharging, reconeing and rebuilding. This way I am sure everything is as good as it can be.

Gary